Devices and methods for optical measurements in point-to-point and point-to-multipoint networks, e.g. like PON networks with splitters are described in which reflected power from some known reflections at the end of the lines is used to determine the attenuation and stability of the attenuation of each line. Also a reference reflection is used at the beginning of the network so that an absolute loss measurement between the points of reflection and the reference reflection can be made. In a further aspect wavelength selective stable reflections and reflectors are used, to provide reflections in a wavelength range that does not interfere with normal operation.